I stopped into SOC this morning looking for scoops (not posted yet) and came across this post by our very own Moore (see below), and I wanted to bring it here. (Hope that's okay, Moore.) It was in a thread entitled "Starr needs to be smacked" or something close to that. I wouldn't have opened the thread, but as I saw that the last post was Moore's, I went dirrectly to the last page and read some of the responses. I was gobsmacked!
Congratulations to you, Carolyn, for trying to set a higher tone to that place. I honestly don't know how you do it, but good job anyway. Of course, I completely agree with you on the subject of Starr Manning.
And just to add, regarding Starr and her relationship with Cole: it's been my experience that if a child takes up a relationship with someone you deem unsuitable, the last thing on earth to do would be to forbid it (unless of course the other kid's a criminal or has dangerous tendencies). Instead, include this new "friend" in as many family activities as possible, have them to dinner, the cottage, shopping expeditions...and in time, the unsuitability of this new friend will become glaringly obvious, and your own child will drop the relationship. It worked like a charm for us, and the unsuitable girls were history in a matter of weeks.
Moore Ideas said:
Personally, I think that the Blair/Starr relationship is one of the most realistically portrayed mother/daughter relationships on soaps.
I certainly haven't seen anything that merits "smacking her teeth out", and can't really think of anything she's done that would merit such a thing!
Starr has put up with a lot from her parents, and has shown enormous maturity all the way through it, from the time that she was a little girl. Despite her growing pains, she's still a very sweet, caring young lady. All parents should be so lucky!
Now, Britney is the one who needs some tough love! Unfortunately, her parents are among those who never should have had kids... They have no idea how to instill any sense of true morality or values in their daughter, and don't particularly care to; they simply want her to grow up to be a trophy wife, and that's all they think she's capable of accomplishing anyway. Grow up, be pretty, and be shallow. YAY!
Having said all of that, I do enjoy watching her because I think that the character is being portrayed very well.
But, Starr's still my girl... __________________ Moore Ideas Cast & Crew, soapcentral.com
"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities."
Well, THANK you KaeEll for your sweet comments. It's very funny that you happened to stumble onto that one post because I RARELY post on the OLTL board anymore. It's too bad because it was once one of my favorite places... But, Starr is one of my favorite characters, and when I saw that thread, I just had to reply.
I have to say that I am constantly appalled when I see threads and posts that condone violence. It's really quite mind boggling, and I'm always amazed to see how other posters rise in support of smacking children silly, knocking their teeth out, etc., etc., ESPECIALLY over typical and very normal developmental kinds of issues. SCARY!
It's frustrating for me to visit the OLTL board now because I don't have the ability to fix any of the problems I see; I'm a moderator on the AMC board only. Like everyone else, I have the ability to report posts, but I don't want to pack another moderator's email with such reports, and it almost feels as though I'm intruding into another moderator's space. I'm told that this certainly isn't the case, but it just FEELS that way to me!
I also don't have as much time to post there as I would like to, but I do try to visit occasionally, and I normally tend to stay in the more noncontroversial topics, such as those concerning the vets.
YIKES AND MAJOR YIKES! I'm sure that my post will fall on deaf ears...
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wow, sounds like good posts. I dont ever venture into the OLTL board anymore for the same reason you guys have said...I have found the AMC board to actually be quite pleasant these days (and I am sure you have had a lot to do with that to, Moore)....on the rare days when I venture into the GH board I post on a few threads but then later notice post counts have gone down because someone no doubt made someone else so mad that it made the thread out of control...I have to say I feel reallly bad for Liz on the GH board.
Yeah, the OLTL board has badly deteriorated, but we all have talked about this for over a year now. I stop in on Saturdays looking for the Red Hot Spoilers thing, saw your name as last poster, and opened it up. Ordinarily I don't bother reading anything there as the topics usually don't interest me, and I certainly have no desire to jump into the majority of those conversations.
Interesting how so many people do condone violence, even though it's a fictional character under discussion. I believe that the responses were of a more personal nature, as in what they would do if it were their own child. Yikes, indeed!
Starr does sound like typical teenager, I don't think I'd slap her, but I'd be really upset at the way she was talking back. She had turned out pretty well, considering.
I guess the question is, does Blair have a good reason to say Starr can't date Cole. If it was just the son of Marty thing, then no. But there were some other issues and I think starr seems really young. Why not wait a while before getting so serious. I would have put her in a private school so they wouldn't be seeing each other so much, and maybe take some vacations. Out of sight out of mind.
IMO teens change their mind about who they love every other week.
And Starr and Cole were getting so intense a couple of times
well hubby is bugging the shit out of me now, later!
I think that the SOC boards have ever-changing dynamics because they're so large, and we have new people joining every day. There are always ebbs and flows to the posts, but right now people are behaving fairly well.
I thank God for JCMoejo81's help. Liz has her hands full, not only with the GH board, the OLTL board, AND the AMC board, but she does a lot of other stuff for Dan as well. I honestly don't know how she does it all...!!! This while raising two kids who are now home from school...
JCMoejo81 is a great guy, and I'm so happy that he agreed to help out with the AMC board. He was a VERY quick study when it came to learning the tricks of The Dark Side, and his instincts and judgment are excellent. I really don't know what I would do without him now. He's also a very nice person. I just love him to death! I think that it's nice to have a moderator who is younger too -- he just turned 26 in April, so he's more interested in reading some of the threads that make ME want to smash my skull against the wall...!!! But, he's a huge fan of the vets too, so he's a great balance to the moderating team.
KaeEll, I know what you mean about zipping one's lips when it comes to disapproval of a boyfriend or girlfriend. Our oldest's VERY FIRST boyfriend was a disaster, and of course she was madly in love with the guy. Unfortunately, he didn't go away quite as quickly has we would have liked, but we took care of Scott as though he were one of our own. He went out of town with us to see our daughter in plays when she was at her boarding school, we put him up in a nice bed and breakfast, took him to the Kennedy Center to see Les Miserables with us, took him to plenty of nice restaurants, and we took him with us to ring in the year 2000 on a special boat ride up the Potomac River (dinner, dancing, plenty of champagne -- not for the kids), and fireworks at the Washington Monument where we were docked virtually at its base!
Thankfully, our daughter EVENTUALLY saw the light... Scott was one year older than our daughter, and so he was going off to college earlier. He suggested that they break up so that he could date others (a real gentleman), and our daughter readily agreed. Within two months, she had found a new boyfriend, and Scott was FURIOUS!!! In fact, he briefly turned into a bit of a stalker, but our daughter set him straight.
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Hey Moore, interesting story with your daughter, I'll keep that in mind if my daughter dates someone I don't like! I don't know how you did it though. Glad she got someone better!
that entire thread was really hideous. i don't understand people who think it's appropriate to smack children. it happens a lot over there tho, doesn't it.
if blair & starr were RL people starr has very little reason to respect blair's parental views. blair makes no secret of the fact....not even from her children that she uses her body to get what she wants. i don't like calling people whores but there is no other term for blair.
starr & cole handled things more maturely than the grown ups did. they honored their parents' wishes & came clean when they could no longer do so. blair's main objection to cole is who his mother is & that's just plain unfair. martie's objection was not who starr was but what todd might do to cole....completely different dynamic.
very nice post, moore.
kris
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My son comes close to getting a smack every now and again, I threaten to strangle him once a day. I tell him God made mother's hands just perfectly sized to fit around a teenagers neck!
He gets so mouthy with me! And I do everything for him. Well if you have a teen, you know!
I haven't seen the SOC post. I try to go to those boards about once ever 6 months and post a quick hi to Raven just to keep from losing all the post counts I have there. LOL That being said, I totally agree with KL and Moore on this one. Starr is pretty amazing, and heaven knows she's strong willed. Love the way you deal with undesirables, KL. LOL Anyway, back to Starr, on post asks how old she is -- and I think the answer to that is about to be 18 to 21. IRL (real soap life) she was born when? I'm sure it was in the 1990s but don't remember the date. And way too lazy/busy to look it up right now. But it doesn't matter. They're about to SORAS her. Kristen is growing into quite the young lady and they're going to have her playing older than her real age before we know it. Anyone want to lay odds on when? I guarantee it will happen by next summer. They already had "prom night, the musical" this year -- which I did not watch a minute of. Thought of it gagged me -- plus I'm usually working when OL is on -- but I saw the commercials. It'll turn out this was Starr's senior prom instead of the 9th grade dance she should be attending. And by next summer, she'll be playing a young adult. They may still have her in her late teens, but it won't surprise me to see her in a SL next summer that involves her sipping a margarita -- and ya gotta be 21 for that.
Ah well, I'm just rambling on. Wanted to say a quick hi to everyone. Love your new avatar, KL. It's so you!
HI AF!!!!! What a ttreat to see you here today! Work interfering with your soap life, huh, LOL? Of all the nerve!
You've been missed, ya know.
Thanks for the avatar compliment. It's been a while since I wore a tube top, though. You'd have to pay me a LOT of money to get one of those on again. Gravity + time = the enemy.
Completely off topic, but anyway: Did anybody hear that the most popular graduation gift in Italy for high school girls is a boob job C or D cup? I nearly had a fit at that! Society has gone completely NUTS!
Silly girls, eh? What they don't want to hear is what happens after lugging those puppies around for a few decades is a bad back and carved up shoulders.
Two of my cousins had reduction surgery (after having all the kids they wanted) and they are so thrilled with the results. They look better, feel better and can wear whatever they like now.
Hey, Shelly - you won't be able to breast feed after a reduction, if that matters. At least my 2 cousins were told that. They were both in their early 40's at the time they had it done.
