News story that bothers me

shellyinphx · Long Lost DiMera Daughter

News story that bothers me

TinaLord68 · The Smiling T.L. Fan

I agree. I am for the death penalty in cases like this.

Lawyers! I don't understand the ones that know their client is guilty and do everything to win their case anyway.

Here's the story of the girls

http://www.murdervictims.com/voices/jeneliz.html

-- Edited by TinaLord68 at 14:03, 2008-08-05

KaeEll · Original Soap Dish Diva

This is certainly a political hot potato! I live in a country that abolished capital punishment decades ago. The argument at the time was that murder is murder, whether by state or individual, and wrong in both cases. I'm in accord with that. Some people protested that the sheer cost of keeping murderers around in prison for all their natural life would be reason enough to do away with them. The government responded that that is the price of humanity, and not to be taken into consideration.

I suppose that having lived all my life with this treatment of criminals, even those who did heinous things, has coloured my perspective, but I don't consider capital punishment an option. In some respects, it might even be considered a clemency, considering what life in prison could be for some. And just how certain can anyone be of a person's guilt? Have you ever wondered exactly how many innocent people have been put to death at the hands of the government? No one should ever have to bear the burden of that guilt in itself.

shellyinphx · Long Lost DiMera Daughter

What bothers me are the people who confess to doing these horrible things but later recant or their lawyers claim insanity. Which I believe that more then anything because I don't want to believe that some of the horrible things these people do were done completely intentional. But this man gang raped 2 girls who probably knew next to nothing about sex when they were attacked. I agree that the death penalty is a touchy subject. But I think that if I was the mom of one of those young girls I wouldn't want their killer to get a reprieve just because he came into this country most likely illegally and then murdered someone.

I agree that it is better that he sit and think about what damage he caused (though a lot of these monsters don't think that way) but I hate that some of these murderers receive degrees while locked away when some of us who are law abiding citizens have to struggle to earn the degree. If this guy could sit in his cell and not receive any kind of rehabilitation then I would say yeah, let him live..But I don't think he would suffer.

We have a guy here in the states who is claiming that he is too fat to be executed...Have you guys heard that one?

KaeEll · Original Soap Dish Diva

Maybe the point is that we, as mere humans, shouldn't be the ones to mete out the real punishments and suffering. Locking someone away from the rest of society, a society whose laws this criminal refused to abide by, is point enough. Maybe the real suffering comes from within, and some would say, in the hereafter. The truly evil, criminally insane people, well, keep them away from anyone else they could ever hurt. Is vengeance really ours to take?

I DO understand your point, though, Shelly. Seeking revenge is a purely human reaction to such horrors, but does it right a wrong? I don't think it ever does. Wanting this evil person to suffer is natural, but then again, isn't mercy more divine, and is that not what we should all be striving for?

There does seem to be unfairness to law-abiding taxpayers who end up footing not only their own bills but those of the convicts, but that's the price we pay for a just society. For example, I went to school with a girl whose lawyer-father had sticky fingers in a trust account. He was locked up for several years, studied criminology, and went on to work with the RCMP in white collar crime. Sometimes rehabilitation truly does work for the best for everyone.

shellyinphx · Long Lost DiMera Daughter

yeah, I do agree that it works for some people...I guess at some point they will outlaw executions here too, but until then I think that for some people its the only thing that seems fair.

TinaLord68 · The Smiling T.L. Fan

I think they have it too easy in prison!! They get food, TV, exercise, books, jobs, cigarettes, an education, conjugal visits, etc, etc

In short: set an example by execution, the crime rate will go down, & God (or Satan) can deal with them in the here-after.

They gang raped a 14 year old and 16 year old repeatedly. What kind of humanity did they show!?!

everbran · GTA Revived The Radio Star

Okay this all boils to a bunch of crap. Convicted rapist and murderer, he did it in Texas, hang 'em and call it a day. Oh yeah, I said HANG HIM not give him a nice easy lethal injection. This behavior is intolerable and unacceptable no matter what country it occurs in or he is from.

I'm sick of us being tolerant of people who break the law. It's pathetic and that's why crime is so rampant. Oh let me go kill someone, get a good lawyer, claim I was insane and get off with therapy in an instititution. It's all a big pile of... well you get the point.

Criminals thrive on the tolerance of society, and unfortunately we just tolerate and tolerate.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/08/04/minister.slain.custody.ap/index.html

There is a prime example of the miscarriage of justice. Really 3 years for killing someone (which in and of itself is a joke), spends 12 days in jail and 3 months in a mental health care facility. Oh and she got possession of her kids back. Oh and by the way, why do women get to commit the same crimes as men and serve less time? Oh let's tolerant the crimes of women moreso then those of men. Yep, there's equality and justice for all right?

If I actually believed that there was any true justice, any actual blind eye to crimes, any truth to the laws that we have then maybe we'd have something to talk about, but simply put we don't. The guy in question raped and killed 2 girls. Do what we normally do, end him.

Sorry if that sounds callus but this is one time the legal system actual might get it right. But no, we have to worry about international pressure from some court that has no place trying to regulate our governor and whines and crys from "lawyers and politicians" in Mexico.... a country that wouldn't know a justice system and laws worked from a guide to run a popsicle stand.

shellyinphx · Long Lost DiMera Daughter

oh Brandon don't get me started on the Mary Winkler case, that woman shouldn't have access to her kids at all. I mean what if she flips and kills one of them, she can't claim that they were beating her.

Well at this point talking about whether the guy should live or not is a moot point. I think the sad thing is that this guy was essentially a kid when he did this horrible thing

Texas executes Mexican

-- Edited by shellyinphx at 08:41, 2008-08-06

everbran · GTA Revived The Radio Star

I simply didn't buy into the "evidence" that she provided of abuse. The media touts this picture of a costume she supposedly was forced to wear for sex. I just am not buying that. And frankly, the way out of an abusive relationship is called, LEAVING not KILLING.

shellyinphx · Long Lost DiMera Daughter

I have to say one more thing about this case, I was reading the comments posted on the last article that I had on here and someone said that if these men had done this crime in Mexico they would have executed them immediately. Don't they do firing squads in Mexico. They wouldn't have had the 15 years of comfortable life in American prisons had they committed the crimes in the country that they wanted help from so badly.

Another poster said where was the reprieve for the two girls tortured, raped and murdered? They didn't get any.

everbran · GTA Revived The Radio Star

He's dead....

http://www.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20080806/Texas.Execution/