I am telling you guys! I should write my life story for a soap opera! We got a thing in the mail saying that our federal refund was going to be given to my husband's ex girl friend who has been scamming us for child suppor since he started working at Cingular. Now we've been doing the beaurocratic crap and trying to jump through the hoops with public aide and what not, but I've had my fill. In fact it's a very good thing that I am a rational person or I would have already hunted this chick down and done some very mean things. Well, anyways I've had my fill. In fact I've really really really had my fill. You see, before today we were fine wtih just making the child support stop, now we are suing for every single cent she has received from us, and we have filed a complaint with the department of public aid to expose the welfare fraud that she has been conducting. I have checked and since she is receiving assistance from the state of IL in collecting the child support she had to do as I did and submit to an interview with a case worker in whcih she was to answer any and all questions about the paternity of her child, even though Floyd had already signed the birth certificate. Well, she lied and told her case worker that he was without a doubt the father, and two days earlier she had written a letter to him stating that he was not and took the child from his custody. Now we wouldn't know all of this, had I not signed up for my POS 201 class. I have that class with a young lady who I used to manage at Taco Bell, and with whom I became very very good friends. Well her parents owned a house that Floyd rented and 2 weeks ago she stumbled across a box with letters from the mother to Floyd. Guess what was in those letters. So, according to public aid any lies, or purposefully omitted information (oh and there is so much of that) is grounds for purjory. So now we have proof that she not only doubted the paternity of the child, she tricked Floyd into not questioning the timing of the pregnancy.
So I have been forced to take drastic measures. I remember when my parents were going through their divorce, my father hired the most horrible, corrupt, and crooked lawyer that I can recall ever coming across. It's pretty bad that even an 8 year old saw him for the money and power hungry man that he was. He made my mother's life a living hell. Well, he's taking our case. I swore to myself that I would never stoop so low, but she's not fighting fair, so neither wil we. This guy found a way to twist the law to keep my father from having to pay my dental bills even after he had agreed to pay all medical expenses for me in their divorce decree. This S.O.B is the entire reason why I am paying for my invisalign now instead of having gotten braces as a child, so I figure, it's time I put him to work for me. You know, I'm really not that worried about all of this, granted if we don't come to a resolution we will owe H&R Block about 7000.00 for our taxes since we got the money up front from them, but I highly highly doubt it will come to that. I have looked up Illinois precedent in child support and paternity fraud and as it stands right now we have a very strong case. The beauty of the whole thing is that Narmont can force her to submit to the paternity testing we have been trying to get for the last 2 years, and if she resists any futher she more or less loses the case before we even have to go to court. I don't know how he plans on doing this or if it is even totally and completely on the level, but I like it.
You know I'm actually enjoying researching all of the laws, the precedents, and all this good stuff. In fact I'm enjoying it so much that I might scrap the journalism and communications and go for law. According to my student advisor, all I'm doing right now is getting my Associates in Liberal Arts, then the classes transfer over to UIS at which point I actually work toward a major/Bachelors. Crap you learn something new every day hehe. Luckily for me they just opened a law program up at UIS. Oh heck I'm so pregnant and crazy I don't even know what I'm doing from one day to the next, but I do know that I'm actually quite good with the law, and I have oddly enjoyed researching all of this stuff. Someone has to stand up for people in our situation, and it's a shame that they have to result to hiring a crooked lawyer to get some relief. Hmmm maybe I could make a difference as a lawyer. Instead of making people's lives hell though, I would specialize in cases like ours. One's in which someone has been taken advantage of and is desperate for help.
Anyways I'm rambling now. If you guys have any good advice for me/us, I'll take what I can get. Thanks for listening to my bitch fit!
LOL well, I suppose you call the child support enforcement agency. They are handling his ex's case and they are the ones who are taking his refund. Are you from IL, because if so it's very easy to contact them. In fact if you just google child support enforcement Illinois, you'll go to a page with so much info you'll be a pro on the topic
Jess you couldn't pay me enough money to be in your shoes. My life and the life of my family is soap opera enough. But yours is pretty bad. But at least it sounds like justice will be served in your case
jessicad52178 wrote: LOL well, I suppose you call the child support enforcement agency. They are handling his ex's case and they are the ones who are taking his refund. Are you from IL, because if so it's very easy to contact them. In fact if you just google child support enforcement Illinois, you'll go to a page with so much info you'll be a pro on the topic
I had the State of Illinois handling my case originally and they closed it by accident one time, they never followed up, they suck! They never got anything from him in Minnesota, so then I hired a private lawyer. I could go back to court but if he's not working, as he claims, they would cancel all support. but right now if I keep it at him owing me, eventually he will have to catch up. I would like his refund though, he's way behind. He sent me an email saying he'd pay in January because Ryan needs braces, and then he didn't pay. I wonder if the state of Minnesota does anything
Well this came from the federal dept of treasury, so it should be pretty much the same across the board. I was getting Bobbie's even though it wasn't much when he was in KY
I'm going to be blunt here. There's always one figure that is in the middle of all of the soap opera stuff you have. Your husband. You all need to sort something out, what that is, I don't know. Maybe you need to smack him with a mallet or something but until something in that area gets sorted out, I have this funny feeling all your drama isn't going to go away. I'm not saying run away/divorce the guy, but clearly you two could stand to fix a few things and I'm going to take a wild stab that it's communication. Funny how much relationships fail when the two parties aren't on the same page talking about the same thing.
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Jess, all I'm saying is they can't take your taxes without a dna test to show proof. I hope all works out. This is the last thing you need right before the little one comes. Many hugs and smooches!
jessicad52178 wrote: Well this came from the federal dept of treasury, so it should be pretty much the same across the board. I was getting Bobbie's even though it wasn't much when he was in KY
I'm guessing I'd have to go back to court for that
sure they can. he signed the birth certificate. that gives them every right. which may or may not leave him on the hook for child support. family law regarding paternity can be ever so tricky.
what a mess. i hope it doesn't take you years to get straight. hope the lawyer is just as horrible as he was to your mom.
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Jess, maybe you could take a break from the ugly business until after the baby comes. It's not the best atmosphere for a newborn and mom.
I'd be awfully careful of the wicked lawyer, too. He may have worked well for your father years ago, but that kind of dirty-dealing has a double-edged sword and might come back to haunt you in the end. The mother (ex-girlfriend) might need someone to talk some sense into her regarding a DNA test so this matter can be put to rest the right way. It's a horrible legacy to bring a child into, and eventually the lies will be exposed. Better she let the truth out now while her child is very young than many years downstream when the truth could rip apart her relationship with the child. Or maybe she hasn't considered that.
kris wrote: sure they can. he signed the birth certificate. that gives them every right. which may or may not leave him on the hook for child support. family law regarding paternity can be ever so tricky.
what a mess. i hope it doesn't take you years to get straight. hope the lawyer is just as horrible as he was to your mom.
kris
I wonder about the part about signing the birth certificate, can they ever change that or is it written in stone? If he's not the father, then any lawyer should be able to help you out. But I agree you shouldn't let this bother you right now with the baby on the way. Does your husband have parents that can deal with this with him right now?
I maybe cynical here but I wouldn't sign anything if there was even a doubt that the kid wasn't mine. Don't care if I loved the girl or not, I still wouldn't sign it until I knew for sure. I.E. you gotta read the fine print so to speak.
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Yeah I know, but not everyone is as bright as you are. I'm just really really surprised that the state didn' tmake him take a DNA test before persuing child support. In my case with Cody's dad they did and the lawyer I had then told me it was pretty much standard procedure to do a DNA test in the case that the mother and father are not married.
I hope t his all can be nipped in the bud quickly as well and Kaell, I just don't dudnerstand how she can lie to her son like that. It would eat me alive. I know I also couldn't live with myself knowing that I'm hurting someone else's family and taking money from their children. I have decided that I'm going to call her (ok I've looked up every single person with her last name in attempting to find her) and give her a chance to resolve this easily and peacefully and return any of our taxes if they've given them to her. Then I would be more than happy to file the necessary papers to stop child support from being taken from my husband. If she complies then we'll just end this nasty mess here and now, if not then unfortunately I'm going all the way with this one. Honestly the only thing I'm worried about right now is the fact that she is trying to take my taxes and I just can't let her do it.
Did you guys know that in California, any woman can claim any man as the father of their child and they don't even have to have any proof at all. The state just starts taking their money.
Jessica, Please be really careful, and think this one out long and hard before making a telephone call. In fact, maybe your husband should be the one making any calls, but I would only do that with attorney's approval. It can really backfire on you, and be construed as harrassment. You also don't need this so close to your due date.
jessicad52178 wrote: Did you guys know that in California, any woman can claim any man as the father of their child and they don't even have to have any proof at all. The state just starts taking their money.
Good grief! I didn't know that, but it sounds crazy to me. Obviously there are plenty of women out there with no conscience whatsoever (as evidenced by Jess' problem) so men would have to be awfully careful about who they decide to sleep with! What the hell were they thinking when they passed that law????
Jess, I hope the whole mess resolves quickly for you, and without any further legal action. Good luck finding the "lady" in question. And let us know what happens.
All this energy you're putting into this could be the burst of energy pregnant women experience just before going into labour.
jessicad52178 wrote: I hope t his all can be nipped in the bud quickly as well and Kaell, I just don't dudnerstand how she can lie to her son like that. It would eat me alive. I know I also couldn't live with myself knowing that I'm hurting someone else's family and taking money from their children. I have decided that I'm going to call her (ok I've looked up every single person with her last name in attempting to find her) and give her a chance to resolve this easily and peacefully and return any of our taxes if they've given them to her. Then I would be more than happy to file the necessary papers to stop child support from being taken from my husband. If she complies then we'll just end this nasty mess here and now, if not then unfortunately I'm going all the way with this one. Honestly the only thing I'm worried about right now is the fact that she is trying to take my taxes and I just can't let her do it.
Did you guys know that in California, any woman can claim any man as the father of their child and they don't even have to have any proof at all. The state just starts taking their money.
Jess, can you personally let this go and allow your husband and his family to handle it? Take care of yourself and your baby. Don't worry about those unscrupulous people in this world, things you can't change. I'd drive myself nuts if I worried about why my son's father doesn't care enough about him to send support. I hired a lawyer, I had papers and paternity testing, but to no avail, He claims he's not working but I think he's taking cash and lying. I can't change him or the laws. Let your husband step up to the plate and do the work for this situation!!
LOL well, even though I was going to be nice and warn her about the whole suing thing if she doesn't turn over the money, on the hubby's request I am not going to do it. I guess he's more livid than I could tell yesterday. He wants to take her by surprise and has decided that even if she doesn't get our taxes, he wants restitution for all the years he's been paying. So luckily for me I don't have to bother with anything. He is going to take care of it all, except for the research. That's really my thing and I think he knows that I enjoy being able to feel like I'm helping out. Heck all I've been able to do for the last 2 weeks is sit around or lie around miserably. Now I am still miserable but I feel like I can contribute. He went and got me a new printer so I could print everything out that I find and he's going to see the lawyer tonight. Thankfully our lawyer, isn't as expensive as I thought he was going to be, and our first consult of course is free. I am going to send the list of possible phone numbers and addresses with the husband tonight that way they can try to cut down on the time it will take to track her down and force her to take the DNA test.
Jessica, will you PLEASE freakin' go into labor, already???
Your "nesting" instincts and uberhigh energy levels are causing you to take on battles that you don't need to deal with right now (the wretched cousin who came to stay with the friend from hell, the husband's pal who won't leave you alone, and now the husband's ex who resurfaces).
Back away from the unneeded issues, Jessica. Back away...
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everbran wrote: I maybe cynical here but I wouldn't sign anything if there was even a doubt that the kid wasn't mine. Don't care if I loved the girl or not, I still wouldn't sign it until I knew for sure. I.E. you gotta read the fine print so to speak.
That's what I was thinking about my brother's first one. I'm like I wouldn't claim that kid till I had a DNA or paternity test dude. He looked so much like him though and still does to this day (he's about 15 now) that there's no way he can deny him.
Just to add also what's up with these guys who have kids and don't wanna pay child support. Yo dimwits its not about your girl/ex-girl/ex-wife at that point.........I don't care what kind of B**ch on wheels you may think she is at that point, its about your FLESH and BLOOD dude. That little boy or girl is part of you forever....how can you not pay child support!! Cold Hearted BASTARDS!!
If you don't wanna take the risk of having a kid don't put it in to be damn BLUNT about it! OR keep em zipped or buttoned up!!
I pay 450 a month for my daughter, and I'm dating my ex-wife. Yep, strange as it sounds, but I still have it automatically deducted from my check. I agree with Herbst, there is no reason to be flake out on your kids. My "brother in law" aka girlfriend's brother has 2 kids from the same girl, they're nutso so the kids are in Grandma's custody who can barely handle it. Step up, be a man.
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I'm glad you're doing what you're doing Bran. I just hate deadbeat dads though. I can understand they may hate the mother at whatever point the relationship is at but thats no reason to try to punish her by punishing your kid who absolutely had no choice in being here or not. I really blew up there but some things just tick me off.
I also noticed that when something like that happens it just flows out of me and I have to get it out whether writing a post, a song, a story or something I just have to get it down.
Herbstfan wrote: Just to add also what's up with these guys who have kids and don't wanna pay child support. Yo dimwits its not about your girl/ex-girl/ex-wife at that point.........I don't care what kind of B**ch on wheels you may think she is at that point, its about your FLESH and BLOOD dude. That little boy or girl is part of you forever....how can you not pay child support!! Cold Hearted BASTARDS!!
If you don't wanna take the risk of having a kid don't put it in to be damn BLUNT about it! OR keep em zipped or buttoned up!!
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Wanna send a message like that to my son's father! He sent me an email saying he'd pay in January, cuz of the braces, and then he didn't. He gives me a song and dance that he's not working. so I said find another job!