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Moore Ideas Not More Ideas!

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Date: Oct 22, 2008
Our SANTA was fired!!


This is the guy whose lap our kids sat on!!

Santa Given the Boot.

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Date: Oct 22, 2008

With the kind of bad publcitiy the store has gotten through this article, want to bet they re-think the firing of a Christmas icon? What a bunch of old poops at Tyson's. Bah, humbug indeed!

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Moore Ideas Not More Ideas!

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Date: Oct 22, 2008

Oh yeah! This guy was a huge draw to that mall, and they used him in their ads. Tysons is a huge mall, very upscale, and probably makes this Santa's salary inside a half an hour. People looked forward to seeing him, year after year.

He's hired a heavy-hitting law firm from downtown DC to represent him in this! I'm sure that a lot of the partners and/or their wives probably SHOP at Tysons. LOL... It's gonna hit the fan.

Here are some posts on the Washington Times site about this:

If rival malls in the area aren't lining up to pay TRIPLE Graham's rate, shame on them. The people will follow wherever he goes. Think about all the family's out there over the years that have pictures of their kids through the years with the same Santa. That's priceless.
Boo, Tysons!

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So much for the Christmas Spirit! With the economy going SOUTH, seems like a little tradition would go a long way to keep people coming to the mall to shop. It's all about money hungry greediness! To heck with the kids and the parents who were the kids of yesterday. Let's just commercialize this holiday more. I hope World Wide Photography suffers great monetary losses for the stupid decision it has made. And I hope Michael Graham comes out the winner in this situation.

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S u c k it up, Santa ... you've had it good for a LONG time. It's obvious why they fired him ... in a poor economy with retails sales projected poorly this season, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO CONTINUE PAYING GRAHAM $30,000 FOR 6 WEEKS WORK???!! Excuse me, but "three $900 custom-tailored velvet suits he goes through each year, or the boots that go for $725 a pair"???? Married to a professional mall Santa Claus myself (with the same company that Graham worked for), my Santa has TWO custom-tailored velvet suits that last him about 3-4 years each!!! And he paid less than $200 for his leather Santa boots!! And the company provides Santa suits ... they don't require you to make your own; that's your choice, Santa. Graham is paid double what the typical long-term, large market Santa gets. He should be GRATEFUL for $30K X 18 years worth!! $30,000 is more than most people make in a year! And Graham has been enjoying that for 18 years, working only 6 weeks a year? Sheesh! My Santa hubby lost his job with the company after 5 years in a large market, no explanation, and the parents were upset, as we were. But that's life. Contract employees know the risk. But if he really has a contract until 2012, he should contest the issue.

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Funny - no one has second thoughts about Hollywood actors making millions for a single film. And most of them have the morals of an alley cat and the IQ of a pet rock!
On the other hand, we could have an economic system like the former Soviet Union where there were NO Santa's and NO movies (worth watching anyway).
What's most amazing to me is how little Americans understand basic Economics. But that doesn't keep them from voicing their opinions about it does it?
Maranatha!

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How much business do you think they will lose over that BAD decision. There are very few santas that are good at their jobs. I've taken my kids every year to the Walmart in Westerly RI to see the same santa (darrell)for the past 9 years. All 5 of my kids love him! If they got a different santa...I...would get a different store to shop!

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Keep in mind that $175/hour is not his salary. That is what his business charges. Out of that, he has to pay for equipment, supplies, training, health insurance, life insurance, retirement, employer's portion of FICA, travel, room and board while away from his home in Tennessee, and damage to his regular business while he is away for 2 months. Plus, these days, probably malpractice insurance. So his "salary" is probably more like $50/hour. Add to that the fact that he is away from his family and friends for two months. Add to that the fact that the job requires him to work Saturdays, Sundays, and evenings, and overtime for at least a few weeks straight. In summary, his pay is good but not absurd.

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I am a Santa Claus and book other Santas in Los Angeles. Going rates for private parties are $125 to $200 per hour for a fake-beard Santa, but real-beard Santas are even more expensive, some up to $400 per hour.
Hey, it's what the free market allows! Plus, they're able to work only one month out of the year. Mall Santas are especially expensive, sometimes earning up to $40,000 for five weeks' work.
So grow up, guys.

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The rate of $175.00 is absurd for a Santa. For county workers in this region, who are being furloughed 80 hours, maybe we can apply on our days off and get paid to make up for much lower and lost wages! I doubt strippers even make that much for a lap dance!

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$175.00/hr is very reasonable for a good santa and by the report and feedback at WP site, this was an extraordinarly good Santa.
YES it is fair to ask people to stay away from any company that conducts business as Tysons has done in this case. That is an upscale mall and they were getting a bargin price on their Santa.
It is our right and responsibility to express our discontent with bad faith actions by individuals and businesses. Those retailers in Tyson's need to stand up and be counted as against that decision OR they can ride along be sheep and get sheared this holiday season.
West and left - You try dedicating 2 months of your life a year to putting strange and often unruly kiddos on your lap, getting them to pose for a picture and maintain a "Jolly" disposition. Not to mention providing your own wardrobe, grooming and preparing yourself in a somewhat different look just for 2 months of work. You'd make a Great Grinch!

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It's not fair to ask people to "stay away from Tysons Corner", there are many retailers that depend on holiday traffic to support their families. After all, part of the $175 per hour Santa's grievance ($175 hr 2nd job mind you)is that he had suffered a great financial loss because of this... Let's try not to add to the gloom of the events that we really have only heard one side of. Tysons Corner is the premier center in the Washington DC area and should be shown a little more respect for what they have provided us over the past decades... Cheer up, I'm sure that the new Santa will do a great job and hopefully he won't come with a PR firm...

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Steve Hardin, senior partner with World Wide Photography wants to make the money for sitting on his own butt and doing no work. I'll bet the amount World Wide makes - charges/child stays the same or goes up and the center gets a crummy Santa ????...Bah Humbug...Stay away from Tysons!!!

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Of course discretion is paramount to Tyson's Corner.
For years, they've had the best Santa in town. They didn't want potential customers to know ahead of time that when they made those special pilgrimages to Tyson's for Mr. Graham's Santa that they weren't going to get him.
After getting the kids excited to see Santa, the parents aren't likely to leave. They'll still stay and spend money at the Mall and then go home. But they won't come back next year, will they? Short sighted, indeed.
I watched Mr. Graham in action - he is worth 10 times the going rate of any other Mall Santa Claus out there. I don't even have kids and I'm saying it - he was always a pleasure to watch when I shopped in Tyson's during the Christmas season.
Besides, as a business decision? It's called a loss leader, Tyson's. People come for the excellent Santa experience, and spend money at the restaurants and shops while they're there. That's how it works. The $30,000 he makes in the short period of time I'm sure is more than recouped by the Mall and whatever photographer the Mall hires.




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"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities" (Dumbledore to Harry Potter)


Moore Ideas Not More Ideas!

Status: Offline
Posts: 2381
Date: Oct 22, 2008

Oh yeah! This guy was a huge draw to that mall, and they used him in their ads. Tysons is a huge mall, very upscale, and probably makes this Santa's salary inside a half an hour. People looked forward to seeing him, year after year.

He's hired a heavy-hitting law firm from downtown DC to represent him in this! I'm sure that a lot of the partners and/or their wives probably SHOP at Tysons. LOL... It's gonna hit the fan.

Here are some posts on the Washington Times site about this:

If rival malls in the area aren't lining up to pay TRIPLE Graham's rate, shame on them. The people will follow wherever he goes. Think about all the family's out there over the years that have pictures of their kids through the years with the same Santa. That's priceless.
Boo, Tysons!

---

So much for the Christmas Spirit! With the economy going SOUTH, seems like a little tradition would go a long way to keep people coming to the mall to shop. It's all about money hungry greediness! To heck with the kids and the parents who were the kids of yesterday. Let's just commercialize this holiday more. I hope World Wide Photography suffers great monetary losses for the stupid decision it has made. And I hope Michael Graham comes out the winner in this situation.

---

S u c k it up, Santa ... you've had it good for a LONG time. It's obvious why they fired him ... in a poor economy with retails sales projected poorly this season, WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO CONTINUE PAYING GRAHAM $30,000 FOR 6 WEEKS WORK???!! Excuse me, but "three $900 custom-tailored velvet suits he goes through each year, or the boots that go for $725 a pair"???? Married to a professional mall Santa Claus myself (with the same company that Graham worked for), my Santa has TWO custom-tailored velvet suits that last him about 3-4 years each!!! And he paid less than $200 for his leather Santa boots!! And the company provides Santa suits ... they don't require you to make your own; that's your choice, Santa. Graham is paid double what the typical long-term, large market Santa gets. He should be GRATEFUL for $30K X 18 years worth!! $30,000 is more than most people make in a year! And Graham has been enjoying that for 18 years, working only 6 weeks a year? Sheesh! My Santa hubby lost his job with the company after 5 years in a large market, no explanation, and the parents were upset, as we were. But that's life. Contract employees know the risk. But if he really has a contract until 2012, he should contest the issue.

---

Funny - no one has second thoughts about Hollywood actors making millions for a single film. And most of them have the morals of an alley cat and the IQ of a pet rock!
On the other hand, we could have an economic system like the former Soviet Union where there were NO Santa's and NO movies (worth watching anyway).
What's most amazing to me is how little Americans understand basic Economics. But that doesn't keep them from voicing their opinions about it does it?
Maranatha!

---

How much business do you think they will lose over that BAD decision. There are very few santas that are good at their jobs. I've taken my kids every year to the Walmart in Westerly RI to see the same santa (darrell)for the past 9 years. All 5 of my kids love him! If they got a different santa...I...would get a different store to shop!

---

Keep in mind that $175/hour is not his salary. That is what his business charges. Out of that, he has to pay for equipment, supplies, training, health insurance, life insurance, retirement, employer's portion of FICA, travel, room and board while away from his home in Tennessee, and damage to his regular business while he is away for 2 months. Plus, these days, probably malpractice insurance. So his "salary" is probably more like $50/hour. Add to that the fact that he is away from his family and friends for two months. Add to that the fact that the job requires him to work Saturdays, Sundays, and evenings, and overtime for at least a few weeks straight. In summary, his pay is good but not absurd.

---

I am a Santa Claus and book other Santas in Los Angeles. Going rates for private parties are $125 to $200 per hour for a fake-beard Santa, but real-beard Santas are even more expensive, some up to $400 per hour.
Hey, it's what the free market allows! Plus, they're able to work only one month out of the year. Mall Santas are especially expensive, sometimes earning up to $40,000 for five weeks' work.
So grow up, guys.

---

The rate of $175.00 is absurd for a Santa. For county workers in this region, who are being furloughed 80 hours, maybe we can apply on our days off and get paid to make up for much lower and lost wages! I doubt strippers even make that much for a lap dance!

---

$175.00/hr is very reasonable for a good santa and by the report and feedback at WP site, this was an extraordinarly good Santa.
YES it is fair to ask people to stay away from any company that conducts business as Tysons has done in this case. That is an upscale mall and they were getting a bargin price on their Santa.
It is our right and responsibility to express our discontent with bad faith actions by individuals and businesses. Those retailers in Tyson's need to stand up and be counted as against that decision OR they can ride along be sheep and get sheared this holiday season.
West and left - You try dedicating 2 months of your life a year to putting strange and often unruly kiddos on your lap, getting them to pose for a picture and maintain a "Jolly" disposition. Not to mention providing your own wardrobe, grooming and preparing yourself in a somewhat different look just for 2 months of work. You'd make a Great Grinch!

---

It's not fair to ask people to "stay away from Tysons Corner", there are many retailers that depend on holiday traffic to support their families. After all, part of the $175 per hour Santa's grievance ($175 hr 2nd job mind you)is that he had suffered a great financial loss because of this... Let's try not to add to the gloom of the events that we really have only heard one side of. Tysons Corner is the premier center in the Washington DC area and should be shown a little more respect for what they have provided us over the past decades... Cheer up, I'm sure that the new Santa will do a great job and hopefully he won't come with a PR firm...

---

Steve Hardin, senior partner with World Wide Photography wants to make the money for sitting on his own butt and doing no work. I'll bet the amount World Wide makes - charges/child stays the same or goes up and the center gets a crummy Santa ????...Bah Humbug...Stay away from Tysons!!!

---

Of course discretion is paramount to Tyson's Corner.
For years, they've had the best Santa in town. They didn't want potential customers to know ahead of time that when they made those special pilgrimages to Tyson's for Mr. Graham's Santa that they weren't going to get him.
After getting the kids excited to see Santa, the parents aren't likely to leave. They'll still stay and spend money at the Mall and then go home. But they won't come back next year, will they? Short sighted, indeed.
I watched Mr. Graham in action - he is worth 10 times the going rate of any other Mall Santa Claus out there. I don't even have kids and I'm saying it - he was always a pleasure to watch when I shopped in Tyson's during the Christmas season.
Besides, as a business decision? It's called a loss leader, Tyson's. People come for the excellent Santa experience, and spend money at the restaurants and shops while they're there. That's how it works. The $30,000 he makes in the short period of time I'm sure is more than recouped by the Mall and whatever photographer the Mall hires.




__________________
"It is our choices that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities" (Dumbledore to Harry Potter)
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